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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:08:00 -
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By removing the option for probing and seeing a signature on scan, I feel that this will surely increase the risks and danger to wormholes. That being said, I'm of the opinion that making probing options delayed for any amount of time would unbalance the mechanic. If you can't scan, probe, see, or anything of a K162, then what option does the receiving end have?
This option gives the leg up to the aggressor without providing an alternative to those who are proactive on the receiving end of a wormhole. I am all for changing the discovery scanner to only allow an update upon session change or probing for new signatures, but making a K162 unprobable is not an option I support, Fozzie :)
Thanks for pushing discussion from the CCP side, you are doing good things. Let's go ahead and require probing to be required for Grav sites again. That is a fix that would help wormholes too. Thanks
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:46:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:Intana Kreis wrote:Klarion Sythis wrote:
I think you've drastically missed what this change is talking about. K162s will still exist, can still be probed, and can still be navigated. There's just some undecided amount of delay before you can do so. Probably irrelevant in most cases except in the if a hostile fleet is already formed up on the other side.
The problem is not in the mechanic in and of itself - but in the fact that there is no good counter at all. Which is why the earlier suggestions of not allowing them to be passively detected - but allowing active detection seems to be better. Allowing active detection or not during the delay is a valid debate, but my response above was aimed at the apparent misconception that k162s simply cannot be found...or something. The person's concerns I was addressing seemed to be based in misunderstanding. I'm still in favor of even a probing delay, but I understand that it represents a significant risk increase and perhaps everyone wouldn't care for that. There are still things you can do to be better prepared for any chain rolling fleets though, so it isn't totally without counters.
Having a PVP fleet on standby incase you are dropped seems like one of the counter options I'd imagine you are eluding, however this requires numbers, and smaller groups won't be able to achieve this counter. This idea will make lower class wormholers struggle to find any reasonable counter to a gank.
This idea is great to catch the C5/C6 capital escalating farmers and would definitely harm their game, but the other wormhole residents throughout the area, and the larger picture has to be seen. What other counters could be considered that would make this change viable?
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Posted - 2014.03.23 22:00:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:So far it's roughly falling out as follows:
If you normally roam / roll holes in a 20+ t3 fleet then you are for it.
If you don't normally roam / roll holes in a 20+ t3 fleet then you are against it.
If you have a 20 man plexing fleet you are for it.
If you don't have a 20 man plexing fleet you are against it.
So Fozzie, I guess it's about wether you are pro big corp/alliance or pro small guys eeking out a living in wh space.
Feel free to let us know where you stand.
There are quite a few who gank, are from large alliances, and/or have large "plexing" fleets that are not for this proposal in it's current form. Let's not turn this into a small v. large or high class v. low class, because I'm a C6 resident, as well as others here, and we aren't advocating for this idea.
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Posted - 2014.03.23 22:46:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:I think what this change will do is not bigger praying on the weaker but rather stopping the log off gangs in favor of rolling gangs.
I think that this change would favor rolling gangs, so I can agree with your stance in that regard, Chitsa.
However, the bigger picture is that this will also impact the lower class residents. This will harm their gameplay as it is proposed.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:09:00 -
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If you look at post #12,
Quote:making a K162 unprobable is not an option I support, Fozzie
Just pointing out how you seem to have missed that CSM9 candidate's post.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:46:00 -
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I know we've reached "dead horse" status, but I did get quite a few mails for an article on this subject, so here it is:
[No-Local News] Signature Delay | My Opinion
Please feel free to comment, like, share, whatever you want, and thanks for continuing to read!
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